why men are turning to other men

[guywholikesboth]

I think that woman as they get older and giving up on sex is the reason more men are returning to male sex they had in there youth and leading other men who never had male sex to try it

[Jazminedress]

I think most men have a touch of the bisexual in them, many women too. Some dont ever act because of upbringing, religous idealogy, social engineering................and many times, they meet the proper woman and believe it or not, stay faithful.

I think another reason, as I am seeing many more younger guys hit on me, the current crop of young men are seeing something in the young women (I am not judging, just going off what I am hearing and seeing) that they just dont want to deal with it. They dont want the relationship, they want someone to go out with (Girl) and NSA sex, so men. I remember at one time dressing En femme, I would get hit on by one or two.

These days many young men and older women

[tenni]

I think that some men have got out of a bad relationship with a woman and open up to getting it on with same sex guy. M2M sex becomes fun or so much more fun that he was with a woman.

[Jazminedress]

I think that some men have got out of a bad relationship with a woman and open up to getting it on with same sex guy. M2M sex becomes fun or so much more fun that he was with a woman. Good point

[dicktrobing]

Since my youth there has been a cultural change and change in attitudes, guys having sex together is more openly understood and accepted by society; indeed in my 20's 2 guys having sex was still regarded as an act of obscenity in Law. This may mean older guys now feel they have the freedom to explore sex with another man that they did not have when younger. For younger guys today it is the more open minded society and the acceptance that guys having sex together is nothing outrageous or obscene.

[Jozyxt]

The cultural change seems huge. Growing up in the 60s and seventies there was a major "don't be gay" mindset. And of course a lot of rolling "fags" went on. Still it was prevalent too. One of the boys I gre up with was gay. No one in the group really cared.

As to the pointguywholikesboth's point. this is my story. My wife became less and less interested in sex and I decided I wanted sex with someone that wanted sex with me. Not that I hadn't had desires for MM sex. But the lack of sex at home drome me to make a change.

And I am so glad I did. Guys are just so much easier.

[Tag200]

I think sexless marriages or the ending of hetero relationships in a rough way opens up the idea to m2m. Also internet access and ease of men compared to drama some women makes it happen more. No sexual spouse or bi curious also seems to be growing ; less stigma .. etc …

for me it is learning about gay tea rooms in my twenties , then being in a sexless marriage for years then growing tired of a ex girlfriend and other women when not with ex drama and BS , and a little curious that has me looking to suck cock.. and now I find cock attractive and want to see if I can be satisfied by just being with men for the most part.. from a passive I woild let a guy stroke ne to my desire to suck cock and be sucked ..

[Jozyxt]

One other thing I have noticed is women's acceptance of bi men as partners. I have a nephew that came out as gay. Then became bi. Now is in a long term hetero relationship. While they have not yet had children, he can have a family and MM sex too. Not that this always has not been the case, it just seems more public and easier to observe now, keeping men from feeling they need to make a either or choice. Actual sexual identity is a lot more fluid than was once commonly held.

I think this also gives women with lower desires for sex a great deal more choice in partners for a happy marriage.

[KDaddy23]

There are a lot of contributing factors, from the obvious culture change to the ever-present problem of sexless marriages to just being naturally curious. being "in the right place at the right time" (aka shit happens)... or really desperate for sex. It's been my belief that the Internet made it possible to see how many men are/have been turning to other men; like Joyzxt said, back in the 1960s, homophobia was seriously rampant and kids like me were being told about how evil it was to be gay except, um, we - the guys I grew up with - weren't gay. But we learned then that if a girl didn't want to have sex with us, we could with each other.

I don't think there's one definitive reason for this because everyone's reason for turning to men is different although I've seen over all this time that there are patterns; lots of similarities to how a guy got turned on to sex with men, like, having that friend, brother, cousin, whoever, who said, do it - it'll be okay; or not having any luck with the ladies as a teen/young adult but knowing that there are guys who suck dick and like it in their ass and... it's better than nothing. Being predominately heterosexual and married for x-amount of years and sex with the wife just goes away for some reason.

Being of any age and wondering what it's like; sometimes watching porn is a reason for some guys and they see it and wonder, "How bad can it really be?" It seems to me that today, a lot of men are saying, "To hell with the social stigma! I want/need this and I'm gonna get it!" And some guys just know from the beginning that they just like boys as much as they do girls so having sex with a guy makes all the sense in the world and exposing the lie that youngsters don't know anything about sex - and shouldn't.

[cornholejoe]

men like sex with men because its more fun married men get to do things there wife wont do like fuck a man in the ass or take it in the ass and all i know love cock sucking giving and taking

[Tight1-4u]

In my experience and talking to and being around a fair amount of sexually active men I know for a fact that there are many reasons here are a few.. it’s easy.. we guys are not emotiona,, well not like women.. sex with men is just that once you are naked with another guy sex it is.. no wining and dining.. just getting it on.. and also who else knows what we want.. sex with another guy is not cheating.. and it feels so good!!!! It is taboo... and if it works out you just might get a lot more sex!!!

[darkeyes]

Have guys ever thought why women go off sex with their man? Isn't always cos their libido has gone but lover boy isn't who or what they want tho it is sometimes.. Isn't all 1 way ya know!! Maybe guys who aren't getting it away wiv their female partners should give themselves a shake and try and find out why they are at where they are at!! ��

[Neonaught]

Over the years the vast majority of my male sex partners have been married men whose wives have ended their sex lives, some at surprisingly young ages (early 30's). The wives never really seem to have a single reason why they go off sex. One guy's wife straight up told him "We've had our kids already so what's the point of continuing to have sex?" It's sad but it certainly benefits me!

[querty]

Have guys ever thought why women go off sex with their man? Isn't always cos their libido has gone but lover boy isn't who or what they want tho it is sometimes.. Isn't all 1 way ya know!! Maybe guys who aren't getting it away wiv their female partners should give themselves a shake and try and find out why they are at where they are at!! ��

Excellent point. I am still VERY attracted to my wife. And while we don't have sex nearly as often, when we do it is just as wonderful ( We've been together 34 years). She enjoys much younger men, like early thirties. I'm not 30 lol, and she's not a man, so we turn to others to satisfy those aspects of our still very healthy libidos.

Would I like to make love or just fuck more often, he'll yeah. She's an amazing lover.. Routine does get in the way sometimes, and we aren't the night owls we once were.

[Jazminedress]

Have guys ever thought why women go off sex with their man? Isn't always cos their libido has gone but lover boy isn't who or what they want tho it is sometimes.. Isn't all 1 way ya know!! Maybe guys who aren't getting it away wiv their female partners should give themselves a shake and try and find out why they are at where they are at!! ��

Fair point, but in defense, I have heard many men on here speak about ED as a reason why they are not having sex with their wives. I think its looked at more with women due to menopause. I have known many women who had about 5 years struggling with that where they were not feeling very active for anyone, even themselves

The issue becomes, as that settles down, couples develop into a habit and dont attempt to be more active with each other.............

The one thing I havent heard mentioned, or missed, boredom. There is a huge difference between being attracted to someone, still loving them, still having feelings, but, after 30 years, many times in this more modern world, people get bored. we live in a technology age where every day something is new and different, and sadly too many dont want to work through it

Not blaming either gender, and of course everyone is the hero of their own story

[KDaddy23]

I remember reading something that said that women who have children "tend" to give up on sex earlier than what the onset of menopause can cause. I've known a few guys whose lady gave birth, say, twice, and now the only time they get to see the pussy is if he happens to see her naked. Still, one of the biggest observations I've made in this is when a man can't get any pussy, having sex with a man becomes a "higher option" on their list of things they'd do and right behind trying to find another woman who'll have sex with him. Some of these guys were of a mind that hooking up with a dude for a blowjob was... okay because he wasn't doing anything with another woman and then think "bro-job."

When a guy hears, "Is that all you ever think about?" from his lady, that's a sign that his access to the pussy is about to get cut off. But when you consider how different female libido is from ours, once she decides to not have sex again, it leaves a lot of men in a bad situation and the solution is... to have sex with men, although I still have no idea how guys come to this decision and more so when they've been totally heterosexual up to this point. ED can play a role in this and right along with day-to-day stresses but for "a lot of guys," when there's no more pussy to be had, they break the "In Case of Emergency" glass and... have sex with other men - and who better understands this plight than other men?

[Jozyxt]

Have guys ever thought why women go off sex with their man? Isn't always cos their libido has gone but lover boy isn't who or what they want tho it is sometimes.. Isn't all 1 way ya know!! Maybe guys who aren't getting it away wiv their female partners should give themselves a shake and try and find out why they are at where they are at!! ��

Relationships are definitely a two way thing. Lack of attention or partnership to a wife can turn them off.

My personal experience is my wife has depression and has just lost her libido and the desire for intimacy. Working on the depresion is the priority. Bi sex is one way for me to get by.

[BackyardShaman]

I love this post! Ok by the answers there are multiple reasons for older males to be open to other males, but what happened to me is I was going through a very rough time in my 50s and was married but wife was unable to have sex due to a devastating illness. I got heavily into mostly pegging and Shemale porn, then more into mmf. I had a few experiences with other guys when younger but had not done anything with guys for 30 years. I found I had time in my hands and made a few new friends, in particular a guy that one day admitted he was bisexual. He was much like me not overly masculine or feminine and really decent looking, so after some time after he told me he was bi, I kept seeing him and really got to thinking I would go for it with him. One afternoon we had a couple of hours to kill at his house and he put a Shemale porn video on and sat by me on the couch, and I was aware he was watching my erection rising. He got closer and told me he wanted to relieve my stress and my first reaction was to jump away and say no, which I did. But, something told me to go for it and I said well, I want to try it and I pulled my pants and undies down and off right there, got back on the couch and got comfortable and he sucked me off. OMG it felt so good and natural!

[tenni]

Good points. I am inclined to think that it is the man who must open up to m2m. When I walk down the street I am more inclined to see two women walking arm and arm but two guys is still have a taboo in public. To have two men touch too in public is often a taboo.

[bibliss]

Maturing is like a fine wine, I guess. As I have aged, I feel more comfortable in my own skin. This has only helped me get more connected to my bisexuality.

Back in my 30s and 40s, I would never have dreamed I would be so turned on by and for men as I am now in my 60s.

Age has been a great equalizer for me in terms of balancing out my erotic interests. I feel equally turned on by men and women., equal appreciation for women and men.

It's true that many women shut down sexually in their 50s and 60s. Still, I know there are some incredibly sexual older women out there. So, I don't think it's entirely about what's going on for women.

We men have not really been given full permission to explore our bisexuality, especially not from deep inside the heterosexual world where most of us live. Nor have we really been shown how to express our bisexuality in an honest and authentic way.

[Long Duck Dong]

Have guys ever thought why women go off sex with their man? Isn't always cos their libido has gone but lover boy isn't who or what they want tho it is sometimes.. Isn't all 1 way ya know!! Maybe guys who aren't getting it away wiv their female partners should give themselves a shake and try and find out why they are at where they are at!! ��

You are not supposed to say that......lol..... its always supposed to be the woman that is not interested in sex, not the man who is no longer providing enjoyable sex for their wife/ gf... we have a ego we like to have stroked, amongst other things.....lol

However, I agree with you when it comes to sex not being mutually enjoyable for women.......and it does remind me of some stances in this site about how only a man knows what a man enjoys and women can not compete.... and I have felt like saying does that mean that some guys do not bother to ensure that their wife / GF is sexually satisfied because they can not go down on her like another woman could... and that could be why the woman is not having sex with them anymore

To be honest, I asked my partner if I sexually satisfied her, and she looked at me, and said you do what I ask you to do, as I need you to do it.... and that makes sex more enjoyable than if I was just laying there being your personal cock socket........and to be honest, you suck, so well.......

Shes an intersex female, born with both a cock and a pussy, and enjoys me sucking her cock, and letting her fuck me with her cock.... but damm her answer got me good, lol

[KDaddy23]

I know that some men go through a "midlife crisis" that pushes them toward sex with other men, like one guy who asked, "Is pussy all there is to sex?" and I said, "No, of course not!" He went on to say that he'd done pretty much everything a man can do with a woman and there had to be something else. We wound up blowing each other and afterward he said, "Yeah - this is what I'm talking about! Should've done this way before now!"

I sometimes think that men just... instinctively know that if they're not getting pussy for some reason, getting some dick is a viable alternative because, if nothing else, it's just sex. That more men are turning to this way of having sex doesn't really surprise me; there's no "one answer" to this outburst of men using their dicks on each other because every guy who finds himself getting some dick has their own unique reason for thumbing their nose at the taboo. I do think it gets a bit confusing for men who have spent a majority of their life being heterosexual but now - and for some reason - getting some dick... just makes all the sense in the world. Sexless relationships are one reason but not all men who turn to sex with men are doing it because they're not getting any pussy in their relationship because they are... but. I really do not understand the mechanism involved in this - I just know that, today, "John" can be as straight as a ruler and, tomorrow, he's sucking dick or being on either side of anal sex because that's what John needs at this point in his life.

It's just "too easy" to point the finger at women who, for their own reasons, don't want to be bothered with having sex because I know it's not the only reason why a guy chooses to turn to men to have sex.

[rukiddingme]

You are not supposed to say that......lol..... its always supposed to be the woman that is not interested in sex, not the man who is no longer providing enjoyable sex for their wife/ gf... we have a ego we like to have stroked, amongst other things.....lol

However, I agree with you when it comes to sex not being mutually enjoyable for women.......and it does remind me of some stances in this site about how only a man knows what a man enjoys and women can not compete.... and I have felt like saying does that mean that some guys do not bother to ensure that their wife / GF is sexually satisfied because they can not go down on her like another woman could... and that could be why the woman is not having sex with them anymore

To be honest, I asked my partner if I sexually satisfied her, and she looked at me, and said you do what I ask you to do, as I need you to do it.... and that makes sex more enjoyable than if I was just laying there being your personal cock socket........and to be honest, you suck, so well.......

Shes an intersex female, born with both a cock and a pussy, and enjoys me sucking her cock, and letting her fuck me with her cock.... but damm her answer got me good, lol

So I also met an intersex girl during a soft breakup with a girlfriend. We got together a few times. I had an incredible experience. I regret we couldn't have had more time together. But it wasn't too long before my girlfriend and I got back together. Of course that ended and by that time my intersex friend was soon in a relationship. That's my regret. But for me, my desire toward men has been an evolution over the years. Now my sexual arousal is almost exclusively men.

[DLazguy]

I'm turning to male sex for a few reasons:

1. I'm married to a woman and have sex 3+ times a week with her, so is kind of guaranteed.
2. I've been with plenty of women before and during my marriage, so I want something new.
3. I like the sneaking around and taboo of playing with another guy.
4. Cock.

[sissyjackie]

It is more acceptable now than in the 50’s, 60’s, 70’s and even the 80’s. It was going on but it was in the closet. I am 66 years old when I was 14 back in 1972, I gave my first blow job to my best buddy and started blowing me to. We carried on into our 20’s. Even when we had girl friends. Of course we never told a sole because of the shame and guilt. I also had a brief affair with a married next door neighbor he was in his 50’s. It lasted about a year till he moved. He also took my anal cherry. Married for 40 years we stop having sex years ago. As with a buddy him and his wife stopped to we turned to each other. I think with men it’s lustrous raw sex.

[nu2curious]

Like someone else said lots of men have a bisexual side however in earlier times it was taboo to admit it. Personally I knew before I finally admitted it that i was attracted to cock .

[phalluster]

Great thread with great insight into a common situation. As with many men on the forum, I was attracted to cock as a teen but also definitely not gay. Been married now 35 years and sex with my wife is good but just not frequent enough for me. So I bate to keep my balls from exploding, plus because I really enjoy masturbating. And what I bate to has morphed to almost exclusively male porn. I find it much more erotic to watch a man worship cock than to watch a woman do the same. I think it is because I can see myself in his place more easily than watching a woman.
I truly think that 99% of men would have sex with men if - it was available and if they were assured getting "caught" would not ruin their life or marriage. That is certainly the case for me.

[KDaddy23]

phalluster said, "I truly think that 99% of men would have sex with men if - it was available and if they were assured getting "caught" would not ruin their life or marriage."

Right on the money. My protege and I were talking about this the other day and he said the same thing you did while asking, "If men were allowed to openly suck dick, would a lot of men take advantage of it?" and I allowed that they sure would if they wouldn't get their head handed to them. I'd say that a lot of men aren't waiting for the world to change and getting their freak on with da fellas just the same.

[nu2curious]

phalluster said "I truly think that 99% of men would have sex with men if - it was available and if they were assured getting "caught" would not ruin their life or marriage."

I basically agree with the thought here but don't think the number is quite that high more like around 2/3.

Still not many in my geographical area as far as I can tell .

[dowmass]

I know this will bring mixed reactions. Of late I have a hard time “keeping it up”. The wife too is post menopause and has much less interest in sex.
To me there’s no greater joy than having a hard cock inside me. It would also be a lot more fun if my top is into kissing.
all of this is not reality yet because I cannot host and there a lot of people looking for versatile bottoms or those with a hard dick.

[Tight1-4u]

the reality is that it is becoming more and more acceptable all the time.. sex with men is usually just that sex and not a lot of begging and pleading.. sex with men is mostly about getting off..

[Jazminedress]

I know this will bring mixed reactions. Of late I have a hard time ?keeping it up?. The wife too is post menopause and has much less interest in sex.
To me there?s no greater joy than having a hard cock inside me. It would also be a lot more fun if my top is into kissing.
all of this is not reality yet because I cannot host and there a lot of people looking for versatile bottoms or those with a hard dick.

Funny thing, I have noticed the past two years, it has been mostly bottoms out there, at least in my experience

[NJwood]

For me, it was a gradual evolution. I wasn’t attracted to men. I was always drawn to women. I was hit on when I was in my late teens but with my gf. I was loyal to a fault. I gave in to a guy hitting on me when I became single. Still horny and living near a place where strip clubs offered full nudity and porn. Add alcohol and I was open to anything. Still, I didn’t dwell on it and found myself still seeking women. When I finally did dive in, it was a matter of wanting to stay out of any serious relationship but still desiring sex. Sex with a guy held no emotional intimacy for me. It was purely sexual gratification and the feeling of utter freedom, no performance anxieties. Today, my wife married me knowing I was Bi. Now I get to enjoy that freedom without fear.

[KDaddy23]

I think that "emotional intimacy" is a key in this; while there are bi guys who are looking for that emotional intimacy, a lot of guys aren't. Don't wanna go through all that stuff trying to get a woman in bed (or the old lady to give it up)? Not a problem because there are guys who'll blow you until you can't walk and... that's that. If you're a bottom kind of guy and getting pegged by a woman isn't in the offing, again, not a problem because there are guys who'll screw you silly and... see you next time... maybe - don't hold your breath. For as long as I can remember, a lot of men have been afraid of the emotional intimacy and of a mind that only gay men can feel this and/or want this... but I've had a lot of sex with gay men who could care less about that emotional intimacy - let's just get each other off and call it a day. It "makes sense" that guys in a relationship usually have their hands full with providing emotional intimacy to their woman - and may not really be getting it back from her - so... having sex with a guy who isn't all that interested in being emotional is the ticket and lust is the only emotion needed.

One doesn't really have to be attracted to men to have sex with men: You just gotta want to do it.

[KDaddy23]

Funny thing, I have noticed the past two years, it has been mostly bottoms out there, at least in my experience

I've noticed that, too, Jaz, and I hear a lot of them asking, "Where are all the tops?" while, strangely, some tops are asking, "Where did all these bottoms come from?" My protege, who I'll say is "functionally versatile," often complains about the number of bottoms he encounters and asks why these guys don't want to use their dick and like a guy's supposed to and... I have an interesting time trying to explain it to him. My thought has been if a guy needs a dick in his ass, women don't have one and pegging can be a "poor substitute" for the real thing so... the hunt for a suitable top is on.

[Jazminedress]

I've noticed that, too, Jaz, and I hear a lot of them asking, "Where are all the tops?" while, strangely, some tops are asking, "Where did all these bottoms come from?" My protege, who I'll say is "functionally versatile," often complains about the number of bottoms he encounters and asks why these guys don't want to use their dick and like a guy's supposed to and... I have an interesting time trying to explain it to him. My thought has been if a guy needs a dick in his ass, women don't have one and pegging can be a "poor substitute" for the real thing so... the hunt for a suitable top is on.

Oh, I do love a good hunt

[KDaddy23]

Hell, half of the fun of it is the hunt! You can be both the hunter and the hunted because you know that no matter where you go, there's a guy looking to have sex with a guy for the first time or the fiftieth time because it's relatively easier than chasing women and failing to catch them. It... just makes sense to turn to men for sex and even emotional succor if that's what you're looking for because, if nothing else, all you have to do is convince a guy that this ain't as bad as they've been told it is, which isn't really all that easy... but it can be done.

I'll say that with "most guys," there's not a lot of bargaining that has to be done other than agreeing on what's to be done and where; like, my protege talks about the simplicity of sex with men because, at the most, it's gonna cost you a six-pack of beer or, as he says, some tacos before or afterwards - as compared to what it can cost to date a woman and trying to convince her that having sex isn't going to be a bad thing -and then, no matter how much you wine and dine her, you still don't get the pussy.

But between us guys, all that's really needed is... do you wanna do this or what? It'll be okay - no, really, it will be because guys do this every day and all over the world and the only thing you're going to lose is... some cum. No harm, no foul, right? If you don't mind, it doesn't matter and... I won't tell if you won't, okay? But the why of this is something that you'd have to ask a guy who's looking to get with other guys for sex and even more than that because there's no "stock answer" that I know of.

[Jazminedress]

Hell, half of the fun of it is the hunt! You can be both the hunter and the hunted because you know that no matter where you go, there's a guy looking to have sex with a guy for the first time or the fiftieth time because it's relatively easier than chasing women and failing to catch them. It... just makes sense to turn to men for sex and even emotional succor if that's what you're looking for because, if nothing else, all you have to do is convince a guy that this ain't as bad as they've been told it is, which isn't really all that easy... but it can be done.

I'll say that with "most guys," there's not a lot of bargaining that has to be done other than agreeing on what's to be done and where; like, my protege talks about the simplicity of sex with men because, at the most, it's gonna cost you a six-pack of beer or, as he says, some tacos before or afterwards - as compared to what it can cost to date a woman and trying to convince her that having sex isn't going to be a bad thing -and then, no matter how much you wine and dine her, you still don't get the pussy.

But between us guys, all that's really needed is... do you wanna do this or what? It'll be okay - no, really, it will be because guys do this every day and all over the world and the only thing you're going to lose is... some cum. No harm, no foul, right? If you don't mind, it doesn't matter and... I won't tell if you won't, okay? But the why of this is something that you'd have to ask a guy who's looking to get with other guys for sex and even more than that because there's no "stock answer" that I know of.

What the fuck ?

I Never got any tacos, now I feel used

[NJwood]

I think that "emotional intimacy" is a key in this; while there are bi guys who are looking for that emotional intimacy, a lot of guys aren't. Don't wanna go through all that stuff trying to get a woman in bed (or the old lady to give it up)? Not a problem because there are guys who'll blow you until you can't walk and... that's that. If you're a bottom kind of guy and getting pegged by a woman isn't in the offing, again, not a problem because there are guys who'll screw you silly and... see you next time... maybe - don't hold your breath. For as long as I can remember, a lot of men have been afraid of the emotional intimacy and of a mind that only gay men can feel this and/or want this... but I've had a lot of sex with gay men who could care less about that emotional intimacy - let's just get each other off and call it a day. It "makes sense" that guys in a relationship usually have their hands full with providing emotional intimacy to their woman - and may not really be getting it back from her - so... having sex with a guy who isn't all that interested in being emotional is the ticket and lust is the only emotion needed.

One doesn't really have to be attracted to men to have sex with men: You just gotta want to do it.
Yes! Whether I?m hooking up with a gay or bi guy, we?re there for the sex. Recently, I?ve hooked up with a gay guy who offered to give me a massage at his home. The first time I got there, we chatted a bit then I asked to shower since I was coming from work. I got totally naked in front of him, showered then came out and got in the table. It was great being that casual about getting naked.

The next time he was outside, naked tending to his garden. The moment we walked through the door, I slipped off my clothes except my gstring. Once again the feeling of being able to do that was thrilling. I just don?t find that with women.

[KDaddy23]

@NJwood, alas, some women just don't have that sense of sexual adventure where guys can tend to let it all hang out or, really, some guys find that they can be more like themselves with other men than they can with women. I've told guys, "Look, you act like I want to marry you/be your boyfriend or we're gonna have children together! You want to get off and so do I and now it's all about what we can do toward that end, okay? Let's not complicate this anymore than it already is!"

There's really nothing wrong with just wanting sex with/from a guy...

[NJwood]

@NJwood, alas, some women just don't have that sense of sexual adventure where guys can tend to let it all hang out or, really, some guys find that they can be more like themselves with other men than they can with women. I've told guys, "Look, you act like I want to marry you/be your boyfriend or we're gonna have children together! You want to get off and so do I and now it's all about what we can do toward that end, okay? Let's not complicate this anymore than it already is!"

There's really nothing wrong with just wanting sex with/from a guy...
Truth!!

[Robin Black]

I think that woman as they get older and giving up on sex is the reason more men are returning to male sex they had in there youth and leading other men who never had male sex to try it

I agree. I have been thinking that as well for some time. I also agree that many men have, perhaps, a bit of bisexuality in themselves that does not become apparent until the stage in life when women are not as interested in sexual activity and yet men still require an outlet. At some point, the notion of being "on the receiving end" for a change, and allowing one's self to be penetrated and entered is very arousing and appealing.

[hung4you]

Most men secretly desire to suck cock and or be sucked by another man. Most of the men I pleasure are all married and are all to willing to reciprocate the deed. Woman don?t know how to shut their mouths, men are much more private in this area. Even though I have a regular go to buddy at home, I travel frequently and often stay at the same hotels, over the years I have cultivated quite a few of like minded men who just want to have some private time away from the wife. Do I engage in anal? Absolutely, do I let them cum in me of course. I even have some that like to bottom, it?s all good as long as everyone plays safe.

[dowmass]

Funny thing, I have noticed the past two years, it has been mostly bottoms out there, at least in my experience

Not just here. It?s all bottoms everywhere one goes especially bi and gay dating and NSA sites.
we bottoms find it extremely hard to find a top. So much competition!

[Rest85]

Not just here. It?s all bottoms everywhere one goes especially bi and gay dating and NSA sites.
we bottoms find it extremely hard to find a top. So much competition!

So true! Doublelist is crammed with guys looking to suck...so many more than prior to Covid. At least Craigslist had the random married or straight guy looking for no recip action. Now, the ratio of eaters to feeders on DL is probably around 30:1 or greater in my area of NC

I'm wondering if staying at home gave curious men the opportunity to find DL, then they decided they've always wanted to try it so now they are placing ads?
Or, maybe Covid made people think 'YOLO...you only live once" and they have decided to go for it?

Or, is there some other explanation I am not thinking of? I did notice that DL understandably got very quiet during covid but after the vax became available and things started opening back up, the number of ads on Doubelist also increased by a huge margin..much greater than pre covid.

Anyone have any thoughts on why?

[KDaddy23]

hung4you said, "Most men secretly desire to suck cock and or be sucked by another man."

This is something I've found to be true; I don't personally know that many guys who doesn't know that men suck cock and I don't know any of those guys who hasn't, at the least, thought about checking it out. Women are amazing and lusty cocksuckers... when they want to be. The problem is that when a guy wants a blowjob, asking her to do it can get interesting and not in a good way... but guys who suck cock? Usually no muss, no fuss but you still have to find such a guy, which can be difficult and depending on some stuff. You're probably more likely to get sucked off by a "random guy" than you are getting a woman to do it - and without bitching and complaining.

[hung4you]

Totally agree,

[johnny134]

Why not - Life is an experience - Try a little of everything. My wife was boring in bed and I wondered an had plenty of fun. At 63 years my 1st experience was at 17 at a bordering school with group sex of everyone. There is no better feeling of a hard cock in my ass and have some one cum in there !

[darkeyes]

There is no better feeling of a hard cock in my ass and have some one cum in there !

I beg to differ, hunny bun!��

[querty]

Not just here. It?s all bottoms everywhere one goes especially bi and gay dating and NSA sites.
we bottoms find it extremely hard to find a top. So much competition!

As a switch, I of course enjoy bottoming (though as I said in an earlier post, haven't quite found the right guy), but enjoy topping just as well. Love listening to my partner moaning and feeling him squirm under my slow but diliberate thrusts. Flipping him into to different positions all the while working my way deeper and working up the place. Yeah... like that :-)

[MysticalExperience]

I think many may have experimented when it was so taboo and now that it is slowly being shown as a norm in society; they are feeling free to explore, thus waking up that part of them that has been suppressed.

[KDaddy23]

I think many may have experimented when it was so taboo and now that it is slowly being shown as a norm in society; they are feeling free to explore, thus waking up that part of them that has been suppressed.

Sure: Tried it back in the day, liked it or not that much but later in life, why not try it again? Again, lots of reasons for this but a lot of adult men who experimented early - and gave it up (and like they were supposed to) - realize that the taboo doesn't really make sense; that they've been holding this inside of them for way too long and now it's time to let it out or, as many have said here, if they want to have sex, this is the only option available if/when the wife/girlfriend doesn't want to be bothered with sex any longer. Even true for guys who might have given this some thought - but did nothing at that time - but now? Why not get out there and let it all hang out?

[Jozyxt]

I know this will bring mixed reactions. Of late I have a hard time ?keeping it up?. The wife too is post menopause and has much less interest in sex.
To me there?s no greater joy than having a hard cock inside me. It would also be a lot more fun if my top is into kissing.
all of this is not reality yet because I cannot host and there a lot of people looking for versatile bottoms or those with a hard dick.

This is somewhat my story too. My libido is not what it once was and my wife's has fallen to zero. But I still have a desire for sexual contact. Even if it doesn't lead to my orgasm, I want there to be an orgasm.

Orgasms are the thing in short supply these days.

[CockHummer]

One doesn't really have to be attracted to men to have sex with men: You just gotta want to do it.



My prot?g?, who I'll say is "functionally versatile," often complains about the number of bottoms he encounters and asks why these guys don't want to use their dick like a guy's supposed to and... I have an interesting time trying to explain it to him. My thought has been if a guy needs a dick in his ass, women don't have one and pegging can be a "poor substitute" for the real thing so... the hunt for a suitable top is on.



Okay, so it's like you smacked me up the side of the head with both of those remarks. I've been thinking a lot (all too much, in fact) about both of those issues the last couple of weeks, and this is the first time I've been on and seen this discussion. Life is full of coincidences.

As far as the question of using things "like we're supposed to do" goes, who says how we're supposed to use what, and what makes the penis more important than the anus? I mean, you must start out by wondering here why the fuck we have erogenous zones in our anus, prostate, and perineum, anyway? What the fuck are we supposed to be doing with our asses other than taking a dump, but those erogenous zones are in there, coded in our fucking DNA, and from what I've heard, very effective. If you're open minded and keep your ears open, you're going to hear about it and then it's simply a question of whether you'd be open to trying it. If you try it and you like it better, for whatever reason, than you like poking things with your dick, then why on earth would you do the latter if you can find guys willing to give you a "to the moon" orgasm by fucking you in the ass and hitting those zones?

I've never yet had a real dick up my butt, but I used to use some of my ex's sex toys when I jerked off, and I can tell you, ramming a fairly convincingly cock shaped, vibrating dildo deep up my ass, while fantasizing, of course, that it was attached to a men, would give me a new kind of "whew"! I had absurdly intense orgasms doing that, so I must suspect there really is something to it. As I will discuss in a bit, I am doing battle again with my difficulty in having sex with men, but I am getting very close and confident I will be crossing the line, and while the primary component of my awareness of my homoerotic side is being absurdly cock-hungry and anxious to get dicks and balls in my mouth and guzzle cum, this time around, somehow I've gotten to thinking a lot (I mean A LOT) about anal sex, too, and while I used to fuck my ex anally with great pleasure for both of us, I'm kind of thinking I'd rather be the one on the receiving end for a change (sorry to those who are anxiously counting). I'd like, at least, to give it a try, and if it feels as good as I suspect it will, I would need no more reason than that, to as often as possible, bend over and spread my cheeks to make room for a big, fat, hard cock.

I've just been looking into people's experiences in that regard on Quora, and the overwhelming majority opinion is that you can get orgasms that knock your socks off by just letting a guy fuck you in the butt. It's obviously a super-horny and naughty thing to do, and boy, does naughtiness have erotic power. I know it worked for me when it wasn't even a real dick, and given how much nicer the real thing is, with the magic of an erect dick being hard and soft at the same time, to find a guy who wants to get off in my ass could only feel that much better.

We all are aware that there are also those guys who like to take a passive role in sex and some, even a feminine role, and there is all the business of those who, in that context, consider their asshole their "pussy." I mean, what right minded person would want to fuck another guy in the ass with his dick, if he prefers feeling feminine and is already anxious to have the other guy fuck him in his pussy? And while offering my ass up for a fucking would not be a passive endeavor (I just like to feel good), it certainly can be felt in that way by someone who likes to feel dominated, small, or even effeminate (again, to have a "pussy"). So much of it is just in our individual heads and how we think and feel about things.

And then there is the issue that doesn't come up much in discussion, as far as I am aware, but while I find a well built woman's ass to be very erotically stimulating, I can't look even at an athletic fellow and find myself thinking, "Boy, has he got a nice ass! I'd really like to get my dick in there." If one guy who likes to have his cock massaged by another guys rectum and anus connects with another guy who finds getting reamed with a cock marvelously stimulating, it seems perfect to me.

And then the next step in that line of thinking is the issue of cleanliness and hygiene. I used to tongue my ex's gorgeous bottom, but I just can't picture myself wanting to get anywhere near a guy in that same regard. I have no idea how I would get around that one. Even wearing a condom doesn't make it seem attractive to me to bury me dick in that particular organ.

And finally, of all things to consider in this regard, why is it better or more sensible that we use our dick in a particular way than that we use our ass in a particular way, when the only end in sight (well, you know what I mean) is erotic pleasure, anyway? In truth, I would think the best would be for two friends or frank lovers, who enjoy having sex together, if they really like each other and want to continue on any sort of a regular or even occasional basis, just to take turns being the top or the bottom, unless they are fortunate enough that each of them prefers the opposite of what the other does, but the balance in numbers essential for that to work out for much of the bi population is the issue that brought up the question here in the first place, so I am sorry for you tops out there. If people keep carrying on about how amazing an anal orgasm is, you may become a dying breed.

Finally, I will now get back to the first comment you made. I've brought it up here several times before, so if people who have read it are reading this now, I don't mean to bore anyone. It was just a sincere response to your comment, and so I wanted to give a convincing explanation of my point. I'm probably not alone in thinking I must be among the most fucked up bisexuals who've ever lived, but there is a big part of craving cock that has not worked out well for me, and I am trying hard to fight it and get around it in desperation, because I am so fucking cock-hungry. I'm thinking about it most of the hours of every day. I have some other distractions going on at the moment that give me time to work on it pretty much only in my head, but to hope to hook up with guys has been made impossible for me in recent years because I don't simply fail to find men sexually attractive, but rather I find us, despite knowing we have cocks and how wonderful cocks are, an absolute turn off. I sincerely find us unappealing. It is absurd, because, at least in my mind and during sexual fantasy, I plainly find the penis to be a much more erotically stimulating organ to play with than the female genitals, and I have enjoyed them a lot (in fact, I most likely feel that way because I have had such a lopsided involvement with women throughout most of my life, that the cock sucker in me is starting to make noise and working hard to convince me of the wonders I've missed. The cock looks like fucking sex! If an alien being visited earth and happened upon a male earthling with an erection, it would have to know immediately what it was. I mean, what else could you do with it than suck it and squeeze it and kiss it and lick it and coax it to cum? It's fucking meant to be in your mouth (well, or in your hand or up your ass or (okay, primarily) in a woman's pussy, I'm not going there right now; I am sort of in homoerotic overdrive).

As a teen, when I got so horny that nothing would get in my way, I had sex with guys, and I know that sucking cock and balls and suckling cum will drive me erotically crazy, and I had tremendous sex with women, of course it was different and great, but it never fully compared, as hot as it was, with my recollection of the feelings associated with playing erotically with another guy's dick, yet, despite knowing that doubtlessly, now that my libido is not what it was in my youth, the drive to get a cock in my mouth, as strong as I think it is, has been entirely unable just to get me around the fact that I plan and think and get excited and look at porn to try to find something attractive in male body parts other than the genitals, and drive myself crazy thinking about nothing other than getting hooked up with a guy or guys and just creaming all over each other (as absurd as it is, and I know that it is, I am so focused these days on cock and cum, and so absolutely unstimulated to think of the girls just now, that I feel like I'm turning gay), and I think I'm there, and I go out into public planning to look around and see where I am, just in my head at least, before I try to hook up with some stranger, and every time, I'm right back where I started. My brain, even as absolutely convinced as it is that cock is just about the best damned thing in the universe right now, looks around at guys, and they just don't look like sex partners to me, and the idea of even thinking of approaching one of them for sex turns me off, and I do whatever I've gone out to do--shopping, most commonly, and just as always, within seconds, I find I can't keep my eyes off the women I cross paths with, or frequently enough, I even end up thinking that I'd like to get one of them in bed, or at least get to know her a bit (I am serious enough about wanting to cross the line, though, that I have decided not to get involved with a woman again, at least not until I've had sex with one man, and my hope is, after having lived with and having sex with women for most of my life, that I will spend a lot of time sucking cocks before I even consider it, if ever. I've just got to figure out how to get there first. I remind myself that every one of these guys I'm looking at has a penis, but it makes no difference.

I trust you understand that I am not trying to be argumentative, but I must disagree, as I hope you will now understand, with your contention that you don't even have to be attracted to men to have sex with them (unfortunately, I am desperately not attracted and even turned off, and it is a real problem for me in this regard), as long as you want to do it (I desperately do, and yet I have been unable to get there), when otherwise in life I've been pretty good at figuring out how to make things happen that I want to have happen and getting them done. I am stubborn in that regard but dealing with a personal biography full of shit to deal with right now that is getting in the way, so it won't be any day now, but I do expect to have sex with men, and suspect that once I've had the intense erotic pleasure of getting a cock in my mouth (and maybe even my bottom :<) ), despite the fact that my sex partner wasn't a bombshell and his masculine body features (other, of course, than his genitals) turned me off, I will be doing it over and over again. At least I hope so.

And by the way, I don't think it's truly a question of a guy "needing" a dick in his ass, but more of his "wanting" one there, probably with at least one of several good potential reasons for it. In sex, we shouldn't have to need something for it to be what we do, although I know we often use the word need simply in place of saying we want something intently.

(As usual, sorry for always writing a chapter from a book).

[FLtongue]

One that first load of cum shot down my throat , I was hooked !!!

[KDaddy23]

@CockHummer, it's okay if you disagree: We are all not the same about this. I just relate what I know via experience and observation and especially one who has always been asked why I'd have sex with another guy - and then, in the early days, searching for answers because I didn't know why - but it sure felt good. Like, I agree that there's a difference between wanting and needing - but I know guys and have known guys who can't seem to make it through the day without being screwed. I'm a rabid and voracious cocksucker and I know guys who make me look like I've never sucked a dick ad like the guys needed to be boned, they say that if they're not sucking dick several times a day, they don't feel right about themselves.

Some guys need attraction; some guys don't. Just a fact of the matter. I've had some amazing sex with guys who weren't good-looking, not in the best shape, and guys who women wouldn't tell them the time of day - but their desire and drive to have sex not only pushed them toward sex with men, it made them excel at it. Sure, I'll see a guy somewhere and, yeah, he's got a nice ass or he's got a nice print in his pants and, yeah, wouldn't it be nice if I can get him naked? It would... after I find out if there's more to him than what I can easily see. Now, I don't look at men and get that "instant" urge to sex the shit out of them - and like I do with women - but I know that some guys are either like this or they expect to be, oh, like my protege, for example; he really does expect a guy to turn him on at first glance and like women do for him and I ask him... why? I've seen pics of his current FWB and... even I'd say that he's not the best-looking guy or in the best shape but the two of them are magic together in and out of bed and I kid him by asking when I can expect the wedding invitation.

If he wants to and you want to, um, what else is needed other than being assured that it's going to be safe to get it on? If you need more than that, that's fine - handle your bizness. The whole "point" of what I had to say is speaking to why men turn to men for sex and more so when there are so many people who can't seem to understand why we would. A slew of reasons why; I tried it and liked the fuck out of it and the rest is history - and that's me... but what about other men? Curiosity and a lack of sex with women are two of the things I've always heard from other men - and that's not counting the guys who've answered this question by saying, "Why the hell not? It's better than jerking off!" It's not what a guy will do or would want to experience: It's always why he does and I always want to know why; what's going on in his head about it, etc., because, again, I still have people asking me why I/we have sex with men - and when there's "plenty of women" who'd be happy to have sex with us.

Keep disagreeing with me as you will; we'll all learn from such discourse.

[Take.it.Easy]

My mothers bf started going down on me when I was 7, it felt amazing and then I wanted to please him too so I started sucking cock and loved it! I love pussy as well but nothing like a nice hard cock to suck on. We had sex like 2 or 3 times a day until I was 16. Then I dated girls, trans and now I am seeing this guy and we have amazing sex! His cum tastes to good:-)

[marine20]

My mothers bf started going down on me when I was 7, it felt amazing and then I wanted to please him too so I started sucking cock and loved it! I love pussy as well but nothing like a nice hard cock to suck on. We had sex like 2 or 3 times a day until I was 16. Then I dated girls, trans and now I am seeing this guy and we have amazing sex! His cum tastes to good:-)
sounds like you had a hot upbringing . did your mom know that you were both cock suckers ?

[IncuBI slut]

we bottoms find it extremely hard to find a top. So much competition!


I wouldn't exactly say it's competition, but it is tough to find a good top.

Lots of flakes, lots of guys who arnt good at it, lots of guys who don't understand how their own bodies work, and have no idea how the bottom's body works.

Also, I noticed since Craigslist dropped the personals sections, there seems to be a lot less tops posting on NSA sites, I don't know if that's because of the plethora of bottoms posting, or if there's less guys interested in fucking as opposed to being fucked.

[friesbaconnekkid]

Sex with men is just so easy. No games to play, we know what we want. I generally meet men at the door, or go out to meet them at their car. I'm always naked, being in a secluded rural area. I introduce myself as their cock sucking faggot. I like to establish right away I am their cock servant. Sometimes I will suck them off at the car, but usually we come inside the house. Regardless of where, in under five minutes I will have a cock in my mouth, many times without even knowing their names. I live in NW Montana, with a small population, yet I have sucked cock with over 200 men over the years, and have been fucked by dozens of them. The majority are married, and a large percentage of them are swallowers, as am I. Most are older, their wives don't like sucking cock or anal, so I am happy to help the guys out. I'm 69, and will suck cock the rest of my life.

[KDaddy23]

I've always said that it's easier to have sex with a guy than it is with a woman although, these days, "easy" is a relative term and given how picky some guys can be. Still, men tend to be very no-nonsense about it; let's not play games, state what we want, and if we can agree on some things, all that's left to decide is where and when. You don't have to wait until "the third date" or whatever to have sex; we're not of a mind to or have a need to be wined and dined and all that stuff that we have to go through with women - and then wind up not having sex with them and after jumping through all the hoops.

[MysticalExperience]

Totally agree

[BiVers240]

I just really enjoy sex. I enjoy sex so much that I am not ready to limit my pleasures to that which can be enjoyed with only a woman. Feeling a man's cum spurting into my mouth is a whole different pleasure than feeling a woman's pussy getting wetter and wetter on my face. A man's ass feels so much different wrapped around my cock than does a woman's pussy. A woman cannot pump herself in and out of my ass until she orgasm's the way a man can. My wife is also a sex fiend and enjoys sex with women as well.

[Tag200]

I just really enjoy sex. I enjoy sex so much that I am not ready to limit my pleasures to that which can be enjoyed with only a woman. Feeling a man's cum spurting into my mouth is a whole different pleasure than feeling a woman's pussy getting wetter and wetter on my face. A man's ass feels so much different wrapped around my cock than does a woman's pussy. A woman cannot pump herself in and out of my ass until she orgasm's the way a man can. My wife is also a sex fiend and enjoys sex with women as well.
lucky you as you get best of both sexes and wife into it too!

[Sundazzled]

Speaking from personal experience, I think there are several reasons some men -- particularly middle aged men -- tend to develop a sexual interest in other guys.

First and foremost, their post-menopausal wives tend to lose interest in sexual intimacy, leaving them to frustrated and in search other options. In my case, solo masturbation wasn't all that gratifying, and sex with another woman would have felt too much like cheating. However, sex play with like-minded guys -- and there are plenty of them out there -- seemed less like being unfaithful and more like two buddies helping one another accomplish a task they'd do by themselves anyway. Okay, it's not exactly like helping a buddy paint his garage, but if the participation of another guy makes a sex act more pleasurable for both, where's the harm?

Another important factor is that with women, sex gets all tied up in feelings of love, belonging and desirability. However, between guys, sex is strictly physical -- just good, honest, old-fashioned, uninhibited get 'er done, blow a load and pop a beer sex. Frankly, I find the freedom from emotional entanglements both freeing and refreshing.

Also, I find that guys just know intuitively what feels good to another guy. I mean, who knows better how to pleasure a penis than someone who actually owns one? Now, I'm not widely experienced, but most of the 12 or 15 guys I've played with over the last 17 years years know -- in a way no woman could possibly know -- what to fondle, stroke, rub, pinch or suck, how to go about it, and when it will feel best. A woman, for instance, would have a hard time understanding the exquisite pleasure I derive from having my super-sensitive frenulum gently pinched. A woman couldn't possibly know the erogenous pleasure that results when when two swollen, purple cockheads grind sensuously against one another, urging one another toward a shattering orgasm. A woman wouldn't understand why I like to have my scrotum fondled as I'm about to cum, and why I need her to stop stroking my cock after I orgasm.

It's also been postulated that some guys experience a latent interest in guy-on-guy forms of sex because as they age, their testosterone levels decrease, and other hormones ebb and flow. These hormones have a powerful influence on sex drive, and perhaps even on or sexual orientation.

Don't get me wrong; I still have an active interest in women and still crave heterosexual forms of sex, but I'm not unhappy that I discovered nearly two decades ago that it's normal, natural and surprisingly common for guys to be sexually intimate with other guys.

[eager4cum]

A lot of what you said seems to be true for me (how another man knows a cock better, how men can have sex without emotions) but there is more to it for me. for me, I have known that I am BI for 50 years or so because I sucked cocks at a young age and enjoyed the hell out of it. Only thing was that back then, it was a far different world than today in admitting bisexuality. So, it was repressed until things changed.

[phalluster]

Totally agree with all Sundazzled said. Luckily for me, I find masturbation, especially to homosexual porn, the very satisfying. I love sex with my wife when I have it, but very often after we fuck I will then masturbate several hours later - always to homosexual porn.

[swvsucker]

It is pretty much a no-brainer...

Girls:

want to be told they are pretty
want you to compliment their hair/make-up/nails/shoes/clothes
want to go on a date, be wooed and made over
have confidence issues
have security issues
have relationship baggage
want a relationship
want a commitment
want to know you will still respect them after a blowjob
rarely swallow


Guys who suck cock:

want to suck your cock
almost always swallow


When I suck off single guys they almost always say they just want a blowjob and are tired of the female drama
When I suck off a married guy they almost always tell me their wife neglects them sexually and is high needs

[Tight1-4u]

almost all the single guys I have sex with are just tired of all the drama and bull crap they have to go through to get some..
the married guys really just want someone that acts like they care about them and are excited to be with them.. both express how nice it is to get some with out having to beg for it.. that it is really nice being with someone that wants to be with them and wants to have sex with them..

[Jazminedress]

It is pretty much a no-brainer...

Girls:

want to be told they are pretty
want you to compliment their hair/make-up/nails/shoes/clothes
want to go on a date, be wooed and made over
have confidence issues
have security issues
have relationship baggage
want a relationship
want a commitment
want to know you will still respect them after a blowjob
rarely swallow


Guys who suck cock:

want to suck your cock
almost always swallow


When I suck off single guys they almost always say they just want a blowjob and are tired of the female drama
When I suck off a married guy they almost always tell me their wife neglects them sexually and is high needs


Lets be fair to the ladies, in most cases that you describe, that is looking for a partner and a mate................the other is just a hook up, and there are women that want that too. You just have to be willing to go where they are.

Ya know, in general there is some women bashing on the thread, but I can see women being tired of male BS too.

Honestly, I think it is a combination of many factors, including society that has made it more accepting, and the simple fact that apps like grindr make it so easy to hook up and blow n go. You dont have to go cruising or deal with some stranger on the street, you put up an add, the stranger comes to you

[KDaddy23]

@Jaz: Yup, way easier to blame women for this. Not ever going to say that they don't contribute in this but one of the things I have always believed and held to is that it's easier to have sex with a guy than it is a woman and usually because we don't care about all the stuff that women are told - and find out - that they should care about and more so when they're looking for a mate - primarily - but women like to just hook up and aren't all that picky and like they'd be with a potential mate. And it must be considered that some women are the way they are... because of us and the way we can be.

Even in my youth, it didn't take us guys long to figure out that if a girl didn't want to have sex with us, well, who needs girls when we can have sex with each other and without all of the hassles - other than convincing the other guy that it'll be fun, we're not gonna get caught, and I won't tell anyone that we did it. No need for all that "mushy" stuff, no having to meet stringent conditions, no having to make promises - you know the deal because you've been through this with women like I and damned near every guy has.

I don't want to be your boyfriend (in that sense); I want us to go somewhere so we can suck each other off and at the least - then get back to the rest of my day. I don't mind if we "hook up" again or we make it a regular thing but, again, growing up, one of the things guys avoided like the plague was anything that started to look like a relationship and involved the complications of a relationship - and women teach us this lesson, don't they - but if you understand why, then, okay, women are crazy but they're still aight.

Society is getting better about this and where men are concerned but, again, it's been my opinion that men get with men... because it's easier; it's convenient; I suck you off, you suck me off, let's go get a burger or I'll see you tomorrow. You still gotta ask a guy for sex and go through some shit in this - and not all that different than going through some shit asking a woman for sex - but chances can be that you'd get some dick before you got the pussy because for a lot of us, having sex with each other isn't that big of a deal - and blaming women for this behavior can be valid... but it's not the real reason why: Men are turning to men because they know they can and this is the way it's always been. They want to; they need to for some reason. Most guys find that the moment they have sex with a guy, they get "hooked" on it and more so when, again and comparatively speaking, it was easier for them to get "Clyde" to suck them off than begging "Gracie" to do it, not that she wouldn't because some women are just like us in that, come on - let's just fuck and keep it uncomplicated, okay?

Then consider how guys today make it hard on themselves - and other guys - to get some dick...

[swvsucker]

Lets be fair to the ladies, in most cases that you describe, that is looking for a partner and a mate................the other is just a hook up, and there are women that want that too. You just have to be willing to go where they are.

Ya know, in general there is some women bashing on the thread, but I can see women being tired of male BS too.

Honestly, I think it is a combination of many factors, including society that has made it more accepting, and the simple fact that apps like grindr make it so easy to hook up and blow n go. You dont have to go cruising or deal with some stranger on the street, you put up an add, the stranger comes to you

I am not bashing. No hate, I swear. The simple reality is if a guy just wants a blowjob, virtually all females will turn him down. Yes, there are occasional women who will, but the vast majority of females will not.

[Jazminedress]

I am not bashing. No hate, I swear. The simple reality is if a guy just wants a blowjob, virtually all females will turn him down. Yes, there are occasional women who will, but the vast majority of females will not.

I wasnt accusing you, just a general statement, I apoligize if it was taken that way. Any forum is it difficult sometimes to convey intent, so my apology if it was taken that way

[KDaddy23]

One of the problems re women and blowjobs is them asking, "What's in it for me?" or "What am I gonna get out of doing it?" and most guys cannot answer this question other than it's what they want her to do and it'd make him feel wonderful and all that - and that's an unacceptable answer for a lot of women... but not all women but, okay, with a lot of women, you're not going to get something for nothing and with so many more, if she was giving you blowjobs like there was no tomorrow and, in this situation, the relationship is set, well, her job is done and you'd be lucky to get a free blowjob on your birthday and even then, you'd better not ask for one.

Men know this so there's no disputing it other than not making generalized statement that condemns all women. What we also know is that if a woman won't do it - and just because - there are a gazillion guys out there who'd do anything to suck our dick, swallow or wear our cum, and some won't even ask or expect to be blown in return. If you love being sucked off, um, would this be something you'd be interested in? Most guys would say they are because, by and large, men are "no-nonsense" about this; men are "anti-drama," less talking, more sucking, and not about making unrealistic promises or doing a lot of bargaining. Like, one of reasons why I get to suck a lot of guys off is because their woman - or some woman - will, in fact, suck his dick... but he'd better not cum and he's gonna know what the unspoken "or else" is going to mean, i.e., it's gonna be a long time before he gets any pussy from her.

We know that "most" male cocksuckers swallow and we have gay men to thank for this one; men today are smart enough to know that getting a dude to suck them off doesn't mean that he's gay or even bi because while we see this as a sexuality thing, a blowjob is a sex thing and one that anyone can do... if they want to. I can go ask my lady right now to give me a blowjob - and I already know what she's going to say and can even see the look she's going to give me - but she will blow me but only when it suits her purposes or she's feeling generous. Ah, but if I ask swvsucker to blow me, he might "hurt himself" getting at me to do it. This is the path of least resistance and one of the reasons that men turn to other men for sex... because it's comparatively easier than trying to get sex from women.

Just too easy to blame women for this change in behavior. I know guys who have and just because it's not sex with women; I've been joking with guys and tell them that I'd suck their dick and they've said, "Okay - why the hell not?" Then I gotta put up or shut up - but that's not the point; the point is that with some men, it's just that damned easy to get a blowjob from a guy and I learned that if you don't mind, it never, ever matters. It's just sex; doesn't mean anything more than that - it could but, c'mon, man - let's not make this complicated...

[Jozyxt]

almost all the single guys I have sex with are just tired of all the drama and bull crap they have to go through to get some..
the married guys really just want someone that acts like they care about them and are excited to be with them.. both express how nice it is to get some with out having to beg for it.. that it is really nice being with someone that wants to be with them and wants to have sex with them..

I respected my wifes feminist ideals when we were married that women should be educated and self sufficient. That women are responsible for their own orgasms. But she moved more into the contemporary neo- puritanism ideas and away from a sex positive attitudes.

Guy just want to have easy sex. I met a guy a few weeks ago at his place. When I put my head over the edge of his matress, he just shoved his cock down my throat. No drama. We both new what it was and what it meant. He enjoyed it and I enjoyed it. Then followed it up giving me a great BJ. Just hot sex.

So much easier than this neo-puritanical BS. When she and I saw the Barbie Movie. I laughed through the whole thing. She was wondering if Ken said he was sorry for the trouble he caused. People that laugh are better sex partners that people that count beans for criticism's sake.

[KDaddy23]

Jozyxt said, "Guy just want to have easy sex."

That's pretty much the bottom line. It's easier to have sex with a guy than it is trying to get a woman to have sex with you. Most guys are no-nonsense about this: Oh, you want to? Let's go do it! No promises, no bargaining except where and when, none of the conditional stuff that women like to toss in and little to no drama. The less complicated it can be, the better. You'd stand a better chance of, say, getting a hand job from me and spontaneously than you would getting a woman to do it - and then she's asking you why she should since she'd not getting anything out of it. Or she does it... just to get rid of you so you can stop bugging her. Ah, but if you asked me for a handjob, why sure - ain't like we have anything better to do!

Because it's easy and that's because it winds up not being that big of a deal - it's not like I'm asking you to marry me and have my babies: I just want to suck your dick and swallow your cum - or otherwise have sex with you - and go on with the rest of my day, thank you very much.