ziggybabie
Dec 10, 2006, 9:56 AM
OK, looooong post. I'll no doubt piss someone off, but I like to rant on occasion, so here it goes. Here's my rant on my problems with commercial rap and some of it's fanbase.
I don't hate all rap, but the tudes from many of it's fanbase can be pretty fucking MORONIC at times. AND I do have issue with the influence it is having with many youth. Yes, I realize that not all rap is the bling-hoes-bitches MTV garbage, and that even many underground hip-hoppers hate the direction of the mainstream rap culture, but that bling commercial crap is most all you see, everywhere, and there's not really enough conscious or intelligent stuff or variety being promoted to balance it out.
My problems with rap:
1. Promotes negative stereotypes and images for black community. I like some of the music, but just not the stupid easily impressionable types who let it influence them, in bad ways. It's music, not a lifestyle....or shouldn't be, anyway. Pushing NOTHING BUT materialism and mindless trendwhoring consumerism over intellect, values, consciousness or community involvement. This might could be somewhat countered if the conscious underground hip-hop movement made it above ground and onto television and radio and whatnot, but as of now, with a few exceptions, the mainline "rap" culture is too imbalanced.
Also, that "fuck whitey" Dead Prez brand of "consciousness" is not a good thing either. I have white family who were robbed by racist thugs, and believe me, my fam did NOTHING to provoke anything. Militant racism isn't "revolutionary", just plain divisive. The day I'd defend Dead Prez, is the same day I'd support racist country singer Johnny Rebel. Both of which, claim they "aren't really racist", but both OVERUSE racial slurs and have affiliations with hate groups (Ku Klux Klan and New Black Panther Party).
2. Racism is racism. Hating someone innocent for being white just makes you just as bad. In other words, you have no cred to say shit about "racists" or "racism", if you're actually contributing to the problem and creating more of what you complain about, instead of trying to overcome your own prejudices.
3. Sexism. The attitude that women are less than men, somehow. I don't mind words like bitch and hoe, and think that selling sex isn't that big of a deal, as the women in the vids often enjoyed doing them, but too many "thugs" take that "pimp" shit and arrogant disrespect to women too seriously. (Idiots)
4. Religion pushed as more of a fashion trend than actual faith. Guys rapping ten songs about killing, drugs, and whatever, then having the nerve to throw a shoutout to Jesus. It seems to be more popular to wear gold crosses than actually read the damn Bible. (worshipping "bling" and status in the guise of "Jesus"). At least more rock artists aren't afraid to attack the negative aspects of organized religion, whereas n rap, it's popular not to even question these things. Like they're afraid saying ANYTHING critical of their religion is a bad thing or "unChristian" or some junk. Plus, this casual faith is the kind that oft leads to religious intolerance and hypocrisy. Being pagan or atheists, will ESPECIALLY get you shat on by many commercial rapfans. Wasn't blind faith in "righteous" religious leaders used against black people at certain points in history? Maybe I'm mistaken. So willing not to question this mentality, now, though. *gag*
Then, you have a lot of the "conscious" black Muslim rappers who actually do take faith seriously, but oft say things like "the white race should be exterminated" and hold separatist or nationalist views......much better *sarcasm*
5. Double standards in regards to gay guys The attitude that "fags" and "ugly dykes" are wrong, but the same people running their mouths constantly about that shit don't say anything about "hot" lesbians or bi women. You should at least be educated on something before running off at the mouth so much about it. Saying it's "wrong", only when it doesn't turn you on, makes you look like a grade-A idiot and/or hypocrite and unqualified to talk shit about the topic. And most "fags" aren't that queer eye shit, and you wouldn't even know by looking at them, as many are as masculine as the straight guy next to them. Alexander the Great was a "fag" general who almost conquered the then-known world. I somehow seriously doubt dude talked with a lisp and liked to braid hair.
I recognize "dikes" are often shat on, too, in rap circles. I don't even care if you are against homo/bisexuality. Be against it. Fine. Just be for or against all of it, in any form, and try to have an informed....researched...intelligent opinion, one way or the other, or just shut your retarded mouth....Too many of rap's fanbase are influenced in this area by numbskulls who are FAR too ill-informed and ignorant to be influencing anyone. There is absolutely no difference between male and female bi/homosexuality. In other words: Wanna make an issue out of homosexuality? Then, at the very least, pick a side 100%.
6. Hatred of Rock Fans I honestly think a lot of the anti-rock tude that came from rap is part of what originally lead many rock fans to start hating rap. Anything (dress, style, ideas, religion and philosophy, etc) too extreme or outside the "the man's" "acceptable" bounds of social "norms" (MANY rock artists) is frowned upon, while the mainline rap culture has become capitalist/conformist as all hell. ie: What new friggin $500 sneakers are popular or what else is "in", now? You're not cool unless you have this or drive that. If a guy has long hair or a few tattoss, he is to be mocked for being different. Never mind that they claim to worship a guy that has long hair and a beard.
The anti-rock tude among many rapfans came from racism and "fuck that crazy whiteboy shit". Which is why I find it really funny when some white rapfans mimick this anti-rock tude that started as racism against people with their skin color.
7. The Hardcore Posturing among suburban whiteboy posers is a fucking joke. A large majority of the rapfans that try to act so hard and ignorant, nowadays, mostly just listen to commercial or trendy top 40 rap artists that see on MTV or hear in "the clubs", while picking on heavy metal and hard rock artists and fans. What's funny about this is that a lot of the metal and rock they like to "hate on" is a thousand times "harder" than the Chamillionaire or Lil Jeezy stuff they listen to, and many of the metal fanbase would kill many of the poser whiteboy types in a fight (which is why many don't fight one-on-one, and get their friends involved like pussies). I'm no badass, don't care to try and look like an ass to make myself feel better, and don't really care for unprovoked violence. I'm a generally peaceful guy.
Regardless of what these idiots think of rock music, even many underground and independent rappers also make the commercial top 40 shit look "pussy", by comparison. (Heard of Natas or Brotha Lynch Hung?) If they're so "badass", I say give these Abercrombie |& Fitch "thugs" 3 options: a: drop them off in an actual real ghetto with that shit, b: let them act that way around some Hells Angels, or c: Ship them off to Bosnia, or D: <Insert your own option>.
Maybe we'll see how tough these pussies REALLY are, then.
I know MANY country music fans can also be fairly racist, sexist, homophobic and religiously intolerant. And you find the same things in rock, and especially in some of the more "hardcore" heavy metal circles, but overall, it just seems that the mainline youth alternative culture is still much farther in terms of progressive thinking on the average/whole. I may have worded some things wrong, but that's what I have to say. I recognize that more of the underground artists actually have messages and something to say, but I'm speaking of the mainline rap culture. The underground isn't the main influence on youth today. It's that BET garbage. Comments?
I don't hate all rap, but the tudes from many of it's fanbase can be pretty fucking MORONIC at times. AND I do have issue with the influence it is having with many youth. Yes, I realize that not all rap is the bling-hoes-bitches MTV garbage, and that even many underground hip-hoppers hate the direction of the mainstream rap culture, but that bling commercial crap is most all you see, everywhere, and there's not really enough conscious or intelligent stuff or variety being promoted to balance it out.
My problems with rap:
1. Promotes negative stereotypes and images for black community. I like some of the music, but just not the stupid easily impressionable types who let it influence them, in bad ways. It's music, not a lifestyle....or shouldn't be, anyway. Pushing NOTHING BUT materialism and mindless trendwhoring consumerism over intellect, values, consciousness or community involvement. This might could be somewhat countered if the conscious underground hip-hop movement made it above ground and onto television and radio and whatnot, but as of now, with a few exceptions, the mainline "rap" culture is too imbalanced.
Also, that "fuck whitey" Dead Prez brand of "consciousness" is not a good thing either. I have white family who were robbed by racist thugs, and believe me, my fam did NOTHING to provoke anything. Militant racism isn't "revolutionary", just plain divisive. The day I'd defend Dead Prez, is the same day I'd support racist country singer Johnny Rebel. Both of which, claim they "aren't really racist", but both OVERUSE racial slurs and have affiliations with hate groups (Ku Klux Klan and New Black Panther Party).
2. Racism is racism. Hating someone innocent for being white just makes you just as bad. In other words, you have no cred to say shit about "racists" or "racism", if you're actually contributing to the problem and creating more of what you complain about, instead of trying to overcome your own prejudices.
3. Sexism. The attitude that women are less than men, somehow. I don't mind words like bitch and hoe, and think that selling sex isn't that big of a deal, as the women in the vids often enjoyed doing them, but too many "thugs" take that "pimp" shit and arrogant disrespect to women too seriously. (Idiots)
4. Religion pushed as more of a fashion trend than actual faith. Guys rapping ten songs about killing, drugs, and whatever, then having the nerve to throw a shoutout to Jesus. It seems to be more popular to wear gold crosses than actually read the damn Bible. (worshipping "bling" and status in the guise of "Jesus"). At least more rock artists aren't afraid to attack the negative aspects of organized religion, whereas n rap, it's popular not to even question these things. Like they're afraid saying ANYTHING critical of their religion is a bad thing or "unChristian" or some junk. Plus, this casual faith is the kind that oft leads to religious intolerance and hypocrisy. Being pagan or atheists, will ESPECIALLY get you shat on by many commercial rapfans. Wasn't blind faith in "righteous" religious leaders used against black people at certain points in history? Maybe I'm mistaken. So willing not to question this mentality, now, though. *gag*
Then, you have a lot of the "conscious" black Muslim rappers who actually do take faith seriously, but oft say things like "the white race should be exterminated" and hold separatist or nationalist views......much better *sarcasm*
5. Double standards in regards to gay guys The attitude that "fags" and "ugly dykes" are wrong, but the same people running their mouths constantly about that shit don't say anything about "hot" lesbians or bi women. You should at least be educated on something before running off at the mouth so much about it. Saying it's "wrong", only when it doesn't turn you on, makes you look like a grade-A idiot and/or hypocrite and unqualified to talk shit about the topic. And most "fags" aren't that queer eye shit, and you wouldn't even know by looking at them, as many are as masculine as the straight guy next to them. Alexander the Great was a "fag" general who almost conquered the then-known world. I somehow seriously doubt dude talked with a lisp and liked to braid hair.
I recognize "dikes" are often shat on, too, in rap circles. I don't even care if you are against homo/bisexuality. Be against it. Fine. Just be for or against all of it, in any form, and try to have an informed....researched...intelligent opinion, one way or the other, or just shut your retarded mouth....Too many of rap's fanbase are influenced in this area by numbskulls who are FAR too ill-informed and ignorant to be influencing anyone. There is absolutely no difference between male and female bi/homosexuality. In other words: Wanna make an issue out of homosexuality? Then, at the very least, pick a side 100%.
6. Hatred of Rock Fans I honestly think a lot of the anti-rock tude that came from rap is part of what originally lead many rock fans to start hating rap. Anything (dress, style, ideas, religion and philosophy, etc) too extreme or outside the "the man's" "acceptable" bounds of social "norms" (MANY rock artists) is frowned upon, while the mainline rap culture has become capitalist/conformist as all hell. ie: What new friggin $500 sneakers are popular or what else is "in", now? You're not cool unless you have this or drive that. If a guy has long hair or a few tattoss, he is to be mocked for being different. Never mind that they claim to worship a guy that has long hair and a beard.
The anti-rock tude among many rapfans came from racism and "fuck that crazy whiteboy shit". Which is why I find it really funny when some white rapfans mimick this anti-rock tude that started as racism against people with their skin color.
7. The Hardcore Posturing among suburban whiteboy posers is a fucking joke. A large majority of the rapfans that try to act so hard and ignorant, nowadays, mostly just listen to commercial or trendy top 40 rap artists that see on MTV or hear in "the clubs", while picking on heavy metal and hard rock artists and fans. What's funny about this is that a lot of the metal and rock they like to "hate on" is a thousand times "harder" than the Chamillionaire or Lil Jeezy stuff they listen to, and many of the metal fanbase would kill many of the poser whiteboy types in a fight (which is why many don't fight one-on-one, and get their friends involved like pussies). I'm no badass, don't care to try and look like an ass to make myself feel better, and don't really care for unprovoked violence. I'm a generally peaceful guy.
Regardless of what these idiots think of rock music, even many underground and independent rappers also make the commercial top 40 shit look "pussy", by comparison. (Heard of Natas or Brotha Lynch Hung?) If they're so "badass", I say give these Abercrombie |& Fitch "thugs" 3 options: a: drop them off in an actual real ghetto with that shit, b: let them act that way around some Hells Angels, or c: Ship them off to Bosnia, or D: <Insert your own option>.
Maybe we'll see how tough these pussies REALLY are, then.
I know MANY country music fans can also be fairly racist, sexist, homophobic and religiously intolerant. And you find the same things in rock, and especially in some of the more "hardcore" heavy metal circles, but overall, it just seems that the mainline youth alternative culture is still much farther in terms of progressive thinking on the average/whole. I may have worded some things wrong, but that's what I have to say. I recognize that more of the underground artists actually have messages and something to say, but I'm speaking of the mainline rap culture. The underground isn't the main influence on youth today. It's that BET garbage. Comments?