Kilts

[zanybrainy]

After just getting my second "American style" kilt, I got to wondering, who else wears a kilt? If we wear it around town plenty of people gawk and talk when you walk by.

Any funny stories?

Aub




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[Tingly_Tickles]

Ok I'm curious to know when wearing a kilt does one wear and under garments
with these or does everything just kinda hang out and whats the difference from
an american kilt and a kilt just curious thats all.

[Skater Boy]

When I was going through a particularly "camp" phase, I once went to the Jean Paul Gaultier store to buy some make-up... it was branded as "male make-up" though. Anyway, the guy who served me there was TOTALLY beautiful... I don't mean "hot" as in buff... although he had a perfect physique, it was not over-stated, and his face was handsome yet delicate. He had a good, lightly-tanned complexion, which looked natural to me, and he spoke with a continental accent. He probably could've sold me ANYTHING in the shop with very little resistance from yours truly. ;)

ANYWAY... he was wearing A KILT (probably a Gaultier designed one, I reckon). But it just looked so natural on him that I didn't even question it. Now if that was ME, or a host of other everyday men, I might think: "hmmm". But on him, it looked great, natural.

I dunno- I'm not one of those people that insists that people rigidly stick to gender-based dress codes. But I think your clothes should probably suit your personality/character.

[onewhocares]

Well about two weeks ago I stopped to get an ice cream on a very hot afternoon. Standing inline ahead of me was this most attractive man. Not a prissy kind of a guy. A built man, with muscles and tatoos. He was wearing a black tight fitting tee shirt and a kilt. I was so attracted to him and the look, that well I must have blushed. When he turned I told him how attractive I thought he was. He took his large order and proceeded to go and sit with his wife and their four children...so nice. The name of the company was on a label sticking out of the side seam...I think it was like UNIKILT or similar. If I find it on line, I shall let you know.

Belle

[Fire Lotus]

Well about two weeks ago I stopped to get an ice cream on a very hot afternoon. Standing inline ahead of me was this most attractive man. Not a prissy kind of a guy. A built man, with muscles and tatoos. He was wearing a black tight fitting tee shirt and a kilt. I was so attracted to him and the look, that well I must have blushed. When he turned I told him how attractive I thought he was. He took his large order and proceeded to go and sit with his wife and their four children...so nice. The name of the company was on a label sticking out of the side seam...I think it was like UNIKILT or similar. If I find it on line, I shall let you know.

Belle
I think what you are describing is a utilikilt? You didn't say a color, so that's what I'm thinking. They usually come in black. I love those on men. I've been nudging my husband ro get one. He's considering it :)

[onewhocares]

YES, that was it. This man looked so incredible. Funny, since my hubby lost so much weight, 70 lbs. his legs look great and they are tan...wonder if HE would consider wearing it? Thank you for the name. I am going to look into their website.

Belle

[mistymockingbird]

I work with a guy that wears a utilikilt daily. He's the facilities manager of my theater. Completely straight, completely macho, but rocks the kilt. So much so that the first time I saw him in pants, when he was in a tux at a fundraiser, it threw me off. Before meeting him I'd always inwardly snickered about the guy that wears a kilt on a daily basis. He has made me completely rethink that.

[TaylorMade]

Utilikilts (http://www.utilikilt.com/). . .most men can rock them, but they don't know it yet. There are some men that I would LOVE to see in one.

But for now, I'll settle for those tartan day pictures of Gerard Butler. . . I'd love to peek under his kilt any day.

http://sporranclan.typepad.com/sporran_clan_log/kilt0005.jpg

*Taylor*

[onewhocares]

Wow, is he not adorable. Oh my, Misty and Taylor, another thing we have in common...men, hot men in kilts.

Belle

[The Cheshire Cat]

Oh my-that's so hot! I love the idea-hope it catches on.... :rotate:

[FalconAngel]

Ok I'm curious to know when wearing a kilt does one wear and under garments
with these or does everything just kinda hang out and whats the difference from
an american kilt and a kilt just curious thats all.

You are asking about whether or not one goes "Regimental", which comes from the Scottish regiments.
Historically, the Scots fought in nothing but their shirts and hats. Prior to that, they fought in nothing but their hats. Just prior to battle the kilts would come off.
The traditional Great Kilt is actually just 6 - 9 yards of tartan material, pleated in 9 inch sections and held in place by a belt. The excess material was draped over the shoulder and, if long enough, would also be tucked into the back of the belt. You would not want this to come apart in a fight, so they would discard them prior to battle and be wearing nothing but their hats (which had their clan badges, allowing them to identify friend from foe).

I could go on for pages about it, but if you are really interested in wearing the kilt, then I suggest a book titled "So You're Going to Wear The Kilt" by Lang Syne.
I found it to be most useful, as I wear a kilt for renaissance faire, where I play a Scotsman. I have Scottish blood on 3 of my family lines, btw; 2 on my dad's side (Sutherland and Barnett) and one on my mom's (MacMartin). I wear the Ancient Cameron tartan.
I've been told, by some ladies from the Stonehaven area of Scotland, that my accent, while not perfect, is very good.

There are some rules to wearing the kilt that you should never ever break, but the most important is this;
If you are not Scottish, or descended of Scots (and can prove it), then you can only wear a couple of Tartans; St. Andrews, Stewart and (for military and ex-military) Black Watch.

And the answer to your question is; If you are a true Scotsman, you never say. Ask me when you see me in a kilt.

[FalconAngel]

Hey Firelotus.

It is a Utilikilt. We see them all the time at the medieval faire in Ft. Myers, Fl.

[jamiehue]

and there not "ichy"?

[The Cheshire Cat]

"and there not "ichy"? Seems to me it would be easy to get to... for a scratchy... :bigrin:

[Tygress75]

The Irish don't have family tartans. However, they have County tartans and the National tartan... all of which are acceptible for one of Irish descent (if you know what County your family heralds from) to wear. There's even a Tartan for us Irish-Americans, should we choose to wear it!

For examples of Irish County Tartans or to search for a tartan by surname (Any British Isle):
http://www.celticpapers.com/irish_county.php

And to reinforce what has already been mentioned... I've seen the utilikilts and have been trying to get my hubby to buy one forever! They're not cheap, but every man looks good in a utilikilt! ;)

[chulainn2]

I wore a Kilt every Friday at school. I went to a private school and played bagpipes. I learned not to ride my bike to school in a kilt. Other kids who did not go to my school didnt fancy boys in dresses, and as far as that goes, neither did i either then or now.
I also won medals for the Highland sword dance.

[MarieDelta]

You are asking about whether or not one goes "Regimental", which comes from the Scottish regiments.
Historically, the Scots fought in nothing but their shirts and hats. Prior to that, they fought in nothing but their hats. Just prior to battle the kilts would come off.
The traditional Great Kilt is actually just 6 - 9 yards of tartan material, pleated in 9 inch sections and held in place by a belt. The excess material was draped over the shoulder and, if long enough, would also be tucked into the back of the belt. You would not want this to come apart in a fight, so they would discard them prior to battle and be wearing nothing but their hats (which had their clan badges, allowing them to identify friend from foe).

I could go on for pages about it, but if you are really interested in wearing the kilt, then I suggest a book titled "So You're Going to Wear The Kilt" by Lang Syne.
I found it to be most useful, as I wear a kilt for renaissance faire, where I play a Scotsman. I have Scottish blood on 3 of my family lines, btw; 2 on my dad's side (Sutherland and Barnett) and one on my mom's (MacMartin). I wear the Ancient Cameron tartan.
I've been told, by some ladies from the Stonehaven area of Scotland, that my accent, while not perfect, is very good.

There are some rules to wearing the kilt that you should never ever break, but the most important is this;
If you are not Scottish, or descended of Scots (and can prove it), then you can only wear a couple of Tartans; St. Andrews, Stewart and (for military and ex-military) Black Watch.

And the answer to your question is; If you are a true Scotsman, you never say. Ask me when you see me in a kilt.

Here's something I saw on line - Tartans for UU Air Force, Army, Navy & Marines. How legitimate are these? Also the black watch tartan is that for all vetrans and service members or just british?


Another question (I am full of it today lol)
If I am descended from two Scot clans ( One on my fathers side and on On My mothers side) which do I choose?

Thanks In Advance

m

[TaylorMade]

I wore a Kilt every Friday at school. I went to a private school and played bagpipes. I learned not to ride my bike to school in a kilt. Other kids who did not go to my school didnt fancy boys in dresses, and as far as that goes, neither did i either then or now.
I also won medals for the Highland sword dance.

And no pictures? What a tease YOU are, chulainn!

*Taylor*

[mistymockingbird]

And no pictures? What a tease YOU are, chulainn!

*Taylor*

Chu you're making me start to rethink this whole daughter/daddy thing we have going. ;)

[FalconAngel]

Here's something I saw on line - Tartans for UU Air Force, Army, Navy & Marines. How legitimate are these? Also the black watch tartan is that for all vetrans and service members or just british?


Another question (I am full of it today lol)
If I am descended from two Scot clans ( One on my fathers side and on On My mothers side) which do I choose?

Thanks In Advance

m


I have never heard of or seen those tartans, but I doubt their legitimacy. Remember that there are only 3 places in the world to get official tartans, and all of them are in Scotland.

As I understand it, The Black Watch is appropriate for all military and ex-military.

As far as which clan affiliation to choose, normally, one picks the clan on their Father's side, at least in cases like ours. However, there really is no hard fast rule about it.

If you want to learn more about your clans and they happen to be Highland Clans, then there is a book called "The Highlanders". It has a lot of general info as well as some specific histories of each of the Highland clans.

You may also be able to get more info from our members who are in Scotland.

[Chaos_Couple]

Greetings,

I am a kilt wearer with some regularity. My wife made me aware of Utilikilts by way of a girlfriend in Seattle, where they originated, a few years ago. I was given one by her as a Christmas gift. It's a Mocker, which has hidden pockets, and doesn't require a sporran or the externally mounted pockets on some models. As the name implies, it's cut neatly and has a Dockers look to it. I have since acquired a wool full kilt, and have a couple of denim skirts which are comfortable. I believe in men's fashion freedom, and that clothes have no gender, but I also do not need or desire to push the envelope.

I have worn all of the above in public. No negative reactions, except for one toady (a middle aged corpulent clueless type) when I was picking up gyros at a local establishment. He only looked at me in a confused vacant way. Much as I wanted to, I resisted the urge to flash him. Otherwise, women love men in kilts, and have gone out of their way to say as much to me; women of all ages and descriptions. I have not gotten any comments from men, but I suppose most men are too cool or uptight to admit noticing another man under most circumstances.

I have noticed men in kilts around the area casually, at the airport, and in Renaissance faires; in Chicago, its 'burbs, Seattle, and various parts of California.

As for the inevitable questions:
I am regimental, commando or freeballing whenever it is comfortable and decency or modesty might not be issues. Otherwise I wear whatever underwear is comfortable for the weather.
I have some Scottish ancestry, but then I have ancestry from a myriad of races and cultures too.

[deletetacount123]

I wear a kilt every year around christmas time cause it has christmas colors on it and is VERY WARM.

My mom gave me a purpish kilt years ago which I have but never worn.

So I have two kilts :) pretty!!! Don't know why people don't wear them anymore :( ya, summer time is not the time to wear it but still..... they are so warm!! (for the winter time)

[FalconAngel]

I remember when we had our handfasting (that is where one of our pictures is from), I was made to do a kilt walk (with my betrothed's permission, of course) and it was fun and interesting.
For those of you who may be unfamiliar, a kiltwalk is where the ladies all lie down on their backs, head to toe and the kilt wearing gentleman straddles the line of ladies and walks (more like waddles) up the line, so that all of the ladies may do a "proper" kilt check all at once.

Many is the time at faire that I have been given a more "direct" kilt check and at the Bay Area Renaisance Faire (Tampa, FL) the queen even forgave me my taxes after giving me a "royal" kilt check.

I will eventually add a modern kilt to my wardrobe, but for now, I wear it at faire and similar occasions.

Now for those that do not know, in addition to the tartans that we see for each clan, each clan also may have as many as twelve different tartans; Ancient, formal, hunting, etc.

[NWMtnHawk]

http://www.house-of-tartan.scotland.net/house/default.htp

A web site with a huge selection of Scottish tartans for anyone interested. And for the record, I WILL one day buy and wear a Utilikilt

[MarieDelta]

http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1034/968483161_71b9959d32_o.jpg

[The Cheshire Cat]

Ok Zany-still waiting! Just the kilt and legs will do. ha,ha,ha,ha,ha... :tong: Cat

[zanybrainy]

Hey Chessie,

Don't say you haven't been warned!!!

[zanybrainy]

We ordered a Utilikilt a few years back. Loved it. But lately UK is growing and not making each one by hand. The production line limits you as to what you can get. I don't feel the fit is as good either.

But if you gotta have a kilt, you gotta have a kilt.

Aub

[The Cheshire Cat]

Zany! My brainy Hero! That's wonderful! Any other Kilties out there that care to share their pic? ( I think im developing a kilt fetish) :bigrin: Cat

[thongguy]

The Mighty Kilt. There is much more to it than just going to the store and saying "hey that looks cool! i think i'll buy one!" At least thats the way it is in my book. As a bagpipe player and member of the Clan Campbell Society of North America I take it sort of i guess "serious". Everything is supposed to match,(kilt of your family clan with the right sporran, jacket, glengarry, etc etc) if your wearing a utilikilt then i guess wear it with flip flops or a pair of Air Jordans, i dont know. But as a bagpiper I hate seeing or hearing another piper playing, or trying to play but hey! he looks good!, when in fact he/she is all show and NO go! The local newspaper had a picture of a piper playing and nothing he was wearing matched, civilan mix matched with military regalia, and some cheesy gold necklace and a casio wrist watch. I puked when the caption read "How Majestic". So all i'm trying to say is aside from the Hope Depot utilikilt, if your going to wear a kilt know how to wear a kilt.

Latha math, Oidhche mhath, SlÃ*n leibh

[rayjamesus]

I wore my kilt into work last year for halloween and everyone got a laugh for the next two days it was great. i wish more people would wear kilts i think men look so hot in a kilt.:bigrin:

[darkeyes]

In me youthful daysa foolishness me had a fling or 2 wiv guys wiv kilts.... usually at weddins..lil cuddly 1 niters... an 2 satisfy ya curiosity..they din wear sod all undaneath, wich is as it shud b...

An jus so as ya knows cos so many gerrit rong..girls do not wear kilts..they wears tartan skirts.... an lengtha tartan skirts me wears if u think me wearin no knickers yas gorranotha think cummin!:tong:

[Kuragxo]

I wear a kilt atleast once a week. I have two, a black American kilt and a "Great" kilt . I work in them, shop for groceries, etc. The comments I get are often from guys who say they wish they were as brave as I am. I do get asked whether I am "regimental" or not and usually offend these people by actually answering their question matter of factly. :)

[darkeyes]

Dunno enuff bout American kilts 2 say wetha they diff from Scots kilts in design but the normal kilt peeps wear is called the short kilt. The "Great" kilt is known as a plaid. It had several uses apart from covrin up the arse an bollox..it wos bedding, shelter as well as dress. The short kilt wos designed initially I think by Sir Walter Scott and the first person to wear one was George IV on his visit 2 Edinburgh about 1820. So that mode of dress is comparitively modern, whereas the plaid has its roots steeped in history an prob originated in Ireland an brought 2 Scotland wiv the waves of Scots invasions from Ireland beginnin in the late 4th an early 5th centuries...

Yep folks, the Scots came from Ireland an gave ther name 2 the place..funny old world innit? Its a lil more complex than that but its gud enuff 2 b goin on wiv.... don wanna ova activate the lil grey cells...:tong:

The girls tartan skirt jus outa interest is known in my family as the tartan pelmet by me mum..an the pleated belt by me dad... usually followed up by a demand that me puts summat round me asre 2 make me less unseemly an embarrassin... me dunno..ole fogies..wot canya do wiv em???

[frenchvikki]

Here's something I saw on line - Tartans for UU Air Force, Army, Navy & Marines. How legitimate are these? Also the black watch tartan is that for all vetrans and service members or just british?


Another question (I am full of it today lol)
If I am descended from two Scot clans ( One on my fathers side and on On My mothers side) which do I choose?

Thanks In Advance

mIf you are Scots or have Scots ancestry on both sides you are entitled to wear both tartans. In fact most clans or families have more than one tartan, one of which is a hunting tartan. In my family the menfolk if they are able to afford more than one kilt decide upon which tartan to wear depending on which side of the family any given celebration is for. If for instance a wedding or baptism is for a member of the fathers family he would wear the appropriate tartan for that side of the family, and the opposite being the case if it is held by the mothers side. In most instances people have but one kilt bacause of the expense, and usually therefore the tartan of the fathers side is worn.

The wearing of tartan is not hard and fast when it comes to what you can and can not wear. It is perfectly legal to wear any tartan you wish, although the wearing of a clan tartan when you have no familial connections to that clan is frowned upon.

Old soldiers often wear the tartans of their regiment. It is not frowned upon for any to wear any such tartan. In fact over here kilt hire shops of which there are many often have the tartans of famous regiments for hire, the Black Watch being probably the most common.

Organisations from all over the world request and have designed for them tartans and kilts produced over here. I believe but am prepared to be corrected, a number of US police departments have done this, the NYPD being probably the most famous. Many companies have also had this done. Towns and Cities also. The Indian Army has a number of its own tartans and so it is quite possible that the US armed forces also do. The armed forces of a number of commonwealth nations do also, Canada Australia and NZ most commonly. Even if your name is de Angelo or Stavros you may have your own familial tartan designed for you. Many Americans and other non Scots have used this service. If a tartan exists with your surname and you dont like it, you can have a tartan designed as De Angelo of Springfield, or Stavros of the Bronx or any other place name attachment you like. You do not have exclusive rights to your tartan but acknowledgment is made that it is yours and was designed for you, but the manufacturing and design company producing the tartan has the rights to its future use, and I am afraid you wont make any money out of that. It will however cost you a pretty penny.

I hope this helps any who are interested.

[Skater Boy]

You do not have exclusive rights to your tartan but acknowledgment is made that it is yours and was designed for you, but the manufacturing and design company producing the tartan has the rights to its future use, and I am afraid you wont make any money out of that. It will however cost you a pretty penny.

Unless you come up with the design yourself, and then patent it before submiting it to be manufactured. I'd guesstimate that, given the CAD software available these days, it might not even be that difficult to come up with your own Tartan design. and a patent is reasonably cheap. however, I doubt any big companies would be that interested in using your Tartan for a fee... unless its amazingly original. But 99% of all Tartan looks the same to me (sorry Scots! :bigrin:).

[frenchvikki]

Unless you come up with the design yourself, and then patent it before submiting it to be manufactured. I'd guesstimate that, given the CAD software available these days, it might not even be that difficult to come up with your own Tartan design. and a patent is reasonably cheap. however, I doubt any big companies would be that interested in using your Tartan for a fee... unless its amazingly original. But 99% of all Tartan looks the same to me (sorry Scots! :bigrin:).
What you are saying is perfectly true Skater Boy, but it would not be accepted onto the register and therefore would not be an officially recognised tartan. In fact Im not sure you would be able to call it a tartan legally. If people are happy with that and can do it themselves by whatever means I think thats excellent. Alas snob value and people's pretentions will always ensure that it had to be designed just so by the right people. The kilt making and tartan producing industry are a bit of a closed shop and have it all stitched up. I am not sayin its right but you have to admire their commercial acumen.

We Scots actually tend to think these days too much is made abroad of tartan. It is considered a bit aak nowadays and the old shortbread and tartan image many of us are embarrassed by it. But its a money spinner, pulls in tourists and encourages exports so it wont change until the world is sickened of it. Contrary to popular belief we are not a mean race, but we are a canny lot, and know when we are on to a good thing.

[Skater Boy]

We Scots actually tend to think these days too much is made abroad of tartan. It is considered a bit aak nowadays and the old shortbread and tartan image many of us are embarrassed by it. But its a money spinner, pulls in tourists and encourages exports so it wont change until the world is sickened of it. Contrary to popular belief we are not a mean race, but we are a canny lot, and know when we are on to a good thing.

Yeah, that Loch Ness Monster yarn has been going on for decades too. I bet its all an elaborate hoax by the Scottish Tourist board. :bigrin:

[MarieDelta]

Thanks for the response.

You've cleared up this issue for me, and given me something to think about as well.



Marie

[FalconAngel]

I wear a kilt at the Renaissance faires that we participate in.

It may not be a perfectly correct kilt, but I have tried to approximate an older style with mine for faire. I do use the Ancient Cameron Tartan, since my maternal great Grandmother was a MacMartin (one of the 3 founding septs of Clan Cameron).

I also have Scottish lineage to Clan Gunn through the Barnett line on my Father's side and Clan Sutherland through a Sutherland ancestor also on my Father's side. I am hoping to eventually get the tartans for all 3 clans in a modern kilt. I really want to be able to wear them to the various Scottish games and festivals down here in Florida.

There are pictures, in our profile, of my Wife and I at faire in our Scottish garb. I have also made a set of trewes in the same tartan as my kilt. I use those for most of our fights, since the faire is a family show and my kilt would be a bit too revealing if I have to fall or kneel or roll.
Which, I know that, historically, they used to just drop their kilts prior to going into battle.
Can't quite do that at faire.

[Kuragxo]

>The wearing of tartan is not hard and fast when it comes to what you can >and can not wear. It is perfectly legal to wear any tartan you wish, >although the wearing of a clan tartan when you have no familial >connections to that clan is frowned upon.


Actually, the association of tartans with particular clans is a relatively recent phenomena. An early 19th century London tailor, trying to make a few bucks on the "Scots fad" associated with Queen Victoria's reign was the first person to create these hard and fast tartan rules. Check out old, pre-19th century paintings of rich Scots and you will often see the family members in the painting wearing very different tartans. Essentially, the tartan/clan connection was an early marketing ploy to increase sales.
Check out Hobsbawm and Ranger's book, <b> The Invention of Tradition</b> and the article in that book by Trevor-Roper...

http://www.amazon.com/Invention-Tradition-Canto-Eric-Hobsbawm/dp/0521437733/ref=sr_1_1/102-7892133-6156911?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1194653259&sr=8-1

[Kuragxo]

The short kilt wos designed initially I think by Sir Walter Scott and the first person to wear one was George IV on his visit 2 Edinburgh about 1820.

According to my partner's MFA thesis:

Originally the Highland Scots wore the same clothing as the Irish they were descended from. Towards the end of the sixteenth century the Highland Scots began wearing what was later called the feileadh mor (filie more), the great kilt (referred to in this thread as the plaid). This garment was a wide piece of fabric, four to six yards long, folded into pleats and belted around the waist, with about one third of the width hanging below the waist and two-thirds of the width gathered up around the shoulders. History has it that an English Quaker ironmaster invented the feileadh beag (felie beg), or small kilt in or around 1727, hiring a tailor to modify the great kilts of the Scotsmen working in his foundries. The resulting kilt was easier to wear and to work in and was quickly adopted by the workers (Trevor-Roper 20). However, textile historian Dorothy Burnham writes in Cut My Cote that it is more likely that the change results from a move away from use of the slow and awkward upright loom to a more modern version of floor loom which produced narrower widths of fabric, but enabled the weaver to work much faster (5).

[jamiehue]

Maay i have the leather one.. please.

[FalconAngel]

>The wearing of tartan is not hard and fast when it comes to what you can >and can not wear. It is perfectly legal to wear any tartan you wish, >although the wearing of a clan tartan when you have no familial >connections to that clan is frowned upon.


Actually, the association of tartans with particular clans is a relatively recent phenomena. An early 19th century London tailor, trying to make a few bucks on the "Scots fad" associated with Queen Victoria's reign was the first person to create these hard and fast tartan rules. Check out old, pre-19th century paintings of rich Scots and you will often see the family members in the painting wearing very different tartans. Essentially, the tartan/clan connection was an early marketing ploy to increase sales.
Check out Hobsbawm and Ranger's book, <b> The Invention of Tradition</b> and the article in that book by Trevor-Roper...

http://www.amazon.com/Invention-Tradition-Canto-Eric-Hobsbawm/dp/0521437733/ref=sr_1_1/102-7892133-6156911?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1194653259&sr=8-1

Very true.
Previous to the 1700's, when clan affiliation to specific tartans started to initially develop, the way that most could tell the clan was from the hat badge.

Another good book, for those of us here in the States, is "So you're going to wear the Kilt" By Lang Syne

I used that for most of my reference on the how to's and where for's of wearing the kilt, including traditions and such around it.

[darkeyes]

Yeah, that Loch Ness Monster yarn has been going on for decades too. I bet its all an elaborate hoax by the Scottish Tourist board. :bigrin:

1st Sitin allegedly by St Columba round bout the 7th century or summat..Scottish Tourist board didn exist then... but holy Jos wer always seein odd things.... e shudda had is cam wiv im an thenwud cudda all seen...

But wetha or not its a hoax.. dus know the tourist industry plays it for all its woth... only monsters me eva seen round bout Loch Ness wer pitiful lil things tho 1 me membas wos ratha fun an a delite 2 b wiv... 1 a the betta lesser mortals...:tong:

[darkeyes]

According to my partner's MFA thesis:

Originally the Highland Scots wore the same clothing as the Irish they were descended from. Towards the end of the sixteenth century the Highland Scots began wearing what was later called the feileadh mor (filie more), the great kilt (referred to in this thread as the plaid). This garment was a wide piece of fabric, four to six yards long, folded into pleats and belted around the waist, with about one third of the width hanging below the waist and two-thirds of the width gathered up around the shoulders. History has it that an English Quaker ironmaster invented the feileadh beag (felie beg), or small kilt in or around 1727, hiring a tailor to modify the great kilts of the Scotsmen working in his foundries. The resulting kilt was easier to wear and to work in and was quickly adopted by the workers (Trevor-Roper 20). However, textile historian Dorothy Burnham writes in Cut My Cote that it is more likely that the change results from a move away from use of the slow and awkward upright loom to a more modern version of floor loom which produced narrower widths of fabric, but enabled the weaver to work much faster (5).

Ya mite well b rite in this hun.. wy me raised matta of Walter Scott an George IV wos afta the Jacobite uprisin of 1745/6, the wearina kilts,tartan an the playin a pipes wos banned.. afta few years cosa the need 2 recruit Highland soldiers for the 7 years war ifya joined the army ya cud getya regimental tartan an wear the kilt 1ce gain.. it wos wiv Scotts connivance an partly as a result of his romantic novels that this began 2 ease, an George IV's visit 2 this ole towna mine visit began the revival of wearin tartan kilts an pipe playin...

[jazzer]

What is a kilt without a sporran? You know that hairy thing that hangs down between a Scotsman's legs. Just read that sporran makers prefer the fur of the otter (an endangered species) to make them. If a Scotsman doesn't have a licence for his sporran if it was produced after 1994 from otter, he can be fined.
Oh well perhaps they will have to make sporrans from beaver. I guess a hairy thing that hangs down between a Scotsman's legs and a beaver would be a perfect match lol.
Seriously, if you have a kilt and enjoy wearing it, go for it I think they look great on either a man or woman. :)

[darkeyes]

Badger babes... sporrans made from badger

[the mage]

Very common to see men in kilts here in the Toronto area.
Not even noticed really...
I'm of direct Irish decent but still dont wear one.

[**Peg**]

omg I LOVE this !

http://www.utilikilts.com/

[jazzer]

Are you trying to badger me Fran? Well I read that otter was once preferred for sporrans and perhaps badger is used now. Either way some of these unique animals are threatened species and should be protected.
Kangaroos are certainly not a threatened species in Australia and perhaps a sporran made from Kangaroo may be in order. Now I guess the thought of that would make any true blooded Scotsman hopping mad. :)

[tatooedpunk]

I have no idea how to post on this thread without ranting,
I hate the fashion bullshit that has become so "cool" around the kilt
dont wear a kilt if you have no connection to the celts. I hate to see what the fashionistas have done with my national dress.I myself have full dress kilt for formal and relaxed dress which i shall be wearing a week today as Scotland take on the world champions.Oh and if you havent guessed i'm a proud Scot

[tatooedpunk]

Oh my god peg just seen your link could not be more offended

[darkeyes]

I have no idea how to post on this thread without ranting,
I hate the fashion bullshit that has become so "cool" around the kilt
dont wear a kilt if you have no connection to the celts. I hate to see what the fashionistas have done with my national dress.I myself have full dress kilt for formal and relaxed dress which i shall be wearing a week today as Scotland take on the world champions.Oh and if you havent guessed i'm a proud Scot

An wotta day we's gonna hav as we stuff em silly Punkie.... time 2 look out the face paints an decided gainst the bran new burgundy shirt... lettin Kate wear that cos me wearin ole faithful... hasta ... wore it for both French matches an if that aint gud luk wot is!!!:bigrin:

[CuddlyKate]

I am honoured Frances. But if you think I am wearing one of your tartan skirts to Hampden Park you have another think coming! I have no intention of coming home with my backside bumped and bruised from the inevitable manhandling!!

[darkeyes]

I am honoured Frances. But if you think I am wearing one of your tartan skirts to Hampden Park you have another think coming! I have no intention of coming home with my backside bumped and bruised from the inevitable manhandling!!

Wot bout franhandlin???:bigrin: me will b gennel pwomise...:tong::female::female: